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WIP: Read description, please by Himmapaan WIP: Read description, please by Himmapaan
Unusual title, yes? It wasn't called that originally, of course, but simply WIP: Perseus and Andromeda; until too many viewers simply favourite without reading the description or seeing the finished piece. :no:

*The final illustration is here:[link] *
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A rough for a sample illustration for Templar Publishing of the Perseus and andromeda myth.

Bellerophon, of course, was the original captor and rider of Pegasus. Thanks to the Renaissance, however, we now have versions in which Perseus, the slayer of Medusa the gorgon, is given the winged horse to aid his rescue of Andromeda.
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pancaker2013 Featured By Owner Dec 20, 2013
This is an amazing drawing, I love Greek mythology and this is amazing!!! La la la la La la la la La la la la 
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dwellicious Featured By Owner Aug 4, 2010  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Hi there, would you mind me using your "undone" work for creating a tattoo? I LOVE your composition but of course I would change some things...
But it would absolutely be part of my backpiece...? Hm? :)
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allison712 Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2009  Hobbyist Digital Artist
You've been featured! :iconcocoloveplz: [link]
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evanjensen Featured By Owner Sep 5, 2009  Professional Traditional Artist
This is a wonderful pencil. It IS the pencil, correct? I was wondering about your process from pencil to watercolor final. Do you ink over the original, or transfer to the WC paper? How often do you mask before laying down washes? I know it's a lot of queries, but I'm astounded by the distinction you retain among areas in your paintings.
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Himmapaan Featured By Owner Sep 5, 2009  Professional Traditional Artist
Thank you. It is indeed pencil. I draw the whole thing afresh on watercolour paper rather than transfering it. And I don't use any masking.
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evanjensen Featured By Owner Sep 5, 2009  Professional Traditional Artist
You never worry about erasure or pencil grooves messing with the application of WC later on? That's what gets me. That and suddenly being without a value reference. Might I ask how you track values and lighting? Just from your head, or do you keep a sketch/photos handy?
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Himmapaan Featured By Owner Sep 7, 2009  Professional Traditional Artist
Oh, my, you must press very hard with your pencil. :giggle: I have a very light hand, so fortunately don't have those issues. And a putty eraser is wonderful for lessening the harm done to the watercolour paper. Also, I meant that having drawn the rough, I then draw the whole thing afresh (rather than transfering or tracing) on watercolour paper, and make any changes then. :) So I of course have the rough as a guide. With values and lighting, it can be all three, depending on what I have to hand; though mostly, it is from my head, based on a kind of 'informed guesswork' and memory (which are by no means always reliable :giggle:).

I should point out that this piece and the resulting final are from a little while ago, and my working methods have changed a little since. With finished colour pieces, I no longer ink in the pencil first, but after all the watercolour work, I do the linework with gouache and a very fine brush. This was an early example in which I put this into concerted practice: [link]
I also rarely make detailed sketches now. Because I'm very slow and my methods are time-consuming; making detailed, more or less complete sketches cost me a considerable deal; not least the frustrations of never quite being able to replicate my rough exactly on the final piece. These days, I make the roughest of thumbnails and draw straight on the watercolour paper.
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evanjensen Featured By Owner Sep 8, 2009  Professional Traditional Artist
I'm training myself out of it, actually. I start really light and then by the time I'm roughing out more detailed areas, I seem to get tight and heavy. It's bothersome. Thank gods for the putty erasers. I'm glad as well that you don't set the whole thing to memory without a rough reference. I'd think you were making deals of the nefarious kind to attain that skill.

Is there newer of the gouache and brush "inking" in your gallery? That piece I think being early, lacks the sophistication and confidence of your inking hand with a pen. Your work strikes me as the closest homage to Rackham I think I've ever seen in a modern watercolorist, and personally I'm happy you take the extreme time to do that level of work. The world needs this. : )
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Himmapaan Featured By Owner Sep 8, 2009  Professional Traditional Artist
Now that I make but the roughest of thumbnails before beginning half blind on a finished piece, perhaps I have made some nefarious deals at some point without being aware of it after all. :giggle:

Funnily enough, I'm actually very fond of that piece for having much softer lines; though perhaps as it was done relatively quickly, it probably isn't as refined as one might wish. That's one aspect of why I enjoy this 'new' method so much more: I don't necessarily have the 'tyranny' of the ink boundaries and can allow the paint to work so much more on their own terms, whilst still having the choice of where I wish to best emphasize the linework, and yet keep it understated and with a measure of delicacy. I think they work together and show their individual strengths better this way. There aren't any other examples of this here yet, as I've only just finished my most important project so far (which is why I'm able to reply to you at all - I have been silent here for many months and have simply been posting work at intervals and fleeing :giggle:), and it isn't yet published. However, here is a peek at one illustration (hoping I don't get into trouble; I've temporarily made this picture public, but will have to set it back to private soon):
[link]

Thank you for your kind words about the homage; I do feel that it isn't just to Rackham to whom I pay tribute, but pretty much as many of the Golden Age greats as one cares to name; though it is true that he and Dulac are two of the strongest influences. :)
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evanjensen Featured By Owner Sep 8, 2009  Professional Traditional Artist
Should be a fun ride, if you're contractually obligated unbeknownst to yourself. It's like agreeing to one of those EULA bits on every corporate web page membership. Ya never know WHAT it says or means, but we all click the little check box.

That's a good point, about more control of the final emphasis with the brushwork more than a rigid ink line. I can't wait to see more. That rider/dragon is a wonderful evolution from the older things. St. George? The knight looks vaguely norse-medieval to me.

Thanks for all the in depth description of your work, by the by.
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Himmapaan Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2009  Professional Traditional Artist
Haha, it's Rustam; of Persian legend. I hope he doesn't look Norse-medieval. :giggle:

In many ways, I can't believe I hadn't employed the brush this way much sooner. Using the brush to draw with itself was something I already did, but not often enough. I seem to have mostly reserved it for Gongbi style Chinese painting. But that was still using ink to delineate with first, followed by layers of ink tone, then the colours (this is an example of this [link] . Not strictly a gongbi painting in the truest sense, as I used a western watercolour paper and not sized xuan paper, but the painting methods were the same). But drawing with ink on watercolour gave unpleasant results (for me), so perhaps that stumped me for a while. I suppose it's one of those sublimely simple things which somehow just takes its time to occur to you. But you do feel a bit like you haven't seen the wood for the trees when that happens. :XD:

Thank you for your interest! I think I've been wanting to share this stage of evolution and you've asked at the right time. :giggle:

Oh, and I think I've known all along what that unhappy contract was, really. It happened with my birth. ;)
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Himmapaan Featured By Owner Sep 5, 2009  Professional Traditional Artist
Thank you. It is indeed pencil. I draw the whole thing afresh on watercolour paper rather than transfering it. And I don't use any masking.
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olde-fashioned Featured By Owner Feb 18, 2009
One word: WOW! :O This is almost better than the colored version, I guess because I like b&w sketches. Faving this, too!
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vitalia Featured By Owner Jun 24, 2008
I love your work. It's absolutely stunning. I can't wait to see more!
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Himmapaan Featured By Owner Jun 24, 2008  Professional Traditional Artist
Thank you for your kind words and interest!
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Pani-Jeziora Featured By Owner Jun 14, 2008  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
it beautiful, really really beautiful
i bet you spend a very long time at it:)
love all those feathers in pegas wings:) and andromeda;s hair :swoon:
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Himmapaan Featured By Owner Jun 14, 2008  Professional Traditional Artist
Thank you. :thanks:
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Pani-Jeziora Featured By Owner Jun 14, 2008  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
you are most welcome :)
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Grimcrest Featured By Owner Jun 3, 2008
classical art like this never ceases to amaze me...

your talents are well spent on this gallery, it is astonishing!

:thumbsup:
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Himmapaan Featured By Owner Jun 4, 2008  Professional Traditional Artist
You're very kind - thank you so much! (The final piece for this rough should be up in a few days...)
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Grimcrest Featured By Owner Jun 4, 2008
Hey my pleasure!
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EthalenSkye Featured By Owner Jun 1, 2008
Definitely some classic influence coming through here! Wonderful!
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Himmapaan Featured By Owner Jun 2, 2008  Professional Traditional Artist
Thank you! :thanks:
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Megeso Featured By Owner May 31, 2008
I really love this. Wonderful work!
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Himmapaan Featured By Owner Jun 1, 2008  Professional Traditional Artist
Thank you! The finished piece will be up in a few days...
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LiZn Featured By Owner May 28, 2008  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
I can't wait to see the finished product.

Now correct me if I am wrong (and I probably am--it's been a very long time) but didn't Perseus originally use winged sandals given to him by Mercury? I think I've watched Clash of the Titans too many times... :blush:
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Himmapaan Featured By Owner May 28, 2008  Professional Traditional Artist
You're quite right (see my notes on the piece). :D But if you look carefully at his feet, I haven't neglected the original sandals either. :D He also ought to have Medusa's head with him at this point, as one commenter observed. I decided to leave this out for this particular illustration.
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LiZn Featured By Owner May 28, 2008  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
It's quite alright. I've been too distracted by the other details to notice the absence of the soon-to-be Aegis. :aww: Now I suppose my Latin teacher will be happy to know that I remembered something...
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krysohmyz Featured By Owner May 10, 2008
Heh, god, I missed this one! Now I see it's REALLY long you working on this... although there is few differences, like completely differend background, different monster's pose and so..., there's the right atmosphere in it even now and here... great...

Kryso

P.S: I LOVE Paegasus' legs..how they have multiple spectres... reminds me old cartoons with wheeling legs in run... =D

(don't worry, I know how and why it was made, and I am NOT sarcastic... I really love it=))
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Himmapaan Featured By Owner May 10, 2008  Professional Traditional Artist
Well, I hadn't started working on the final illustration til about late last month. ^^; So it didn't actually take me since late February. :XD:

Yes, there were a few minor changes. The big rock in the background just got moved to the right for a better composition, and the other one was dispensed with. And I lengthened the curve of the sea monster's back.

I'm frustrated because Andromeda is SO much better in the rough (and a few other smaller things too, but I can live with those at least). :( This is why I don't like drawing more 'finished' or detailed roughs, because I struggle afterwards trying to get the final piece to look as much like it as possible, knowing all the while that it's out of the question. :roll: But because Templar weren't yet fully familiar with my style, they had to see a clearer rough to approve it, so I was obliged to this time.
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krysohmyz Featured By Owner May 10, 2008
Again, I have a feeling all your comment sounds like an excuse..=D

But I understand what you mean... I never encounter those problems, because I never made multiple versions of one thing (well, exept your willow, but it was another extrem - full basket of screwed papers...8-))

And yes, I understand they had to be ecstatic after you showed them THIS...

I hope all is going well. I assure you didn't find anythind "worse" on the colored one you are working on now... You know I always inclined to b/w versions of ANYTHING... but on the other hand, I am really gushing (I hope it's the right word :roll:) of your new one, because there are, at least, collors I really CAN enjoy...8-)

:worship:

Kryso
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Himmapaan Featured By Owner May 10, 2008  Professional Traditional Artist
Again, I have a feeling all your comment sounds like an excuse.

You don't believe me? :cries:

What are the colours you particularly enjoy then? (I think I have a mission to get you to like colour pieces as much as black and white. :D)
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krysohmyz Featured By Owner May 10, 2008
No, of course I believe you everything.. :petting: (exept your compliments on my art, of course...=))

Actually, I love black'n'white only because of black one... (I hate white, too - it's somehow depressing to me - but I take it as a perquisite evil to let the black distinguish...)

Well, blue, very bright yellow and very particular hues of green are good. =)
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Himmapaan Featured By Owner May 11, 2008  Professional Traditional Artist
Ah, of course, blue. :nod:

I'm not so good with bright yellow myself. ^^;

exept your compliments on my art, of course

Tut, tut...
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krysohmyz Featured By Owner May 11, 2008
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Himmapaan Featured By Owner May 11, 2008  Professional Traditional Artist
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BatKitteh92 Featured By Owner May 3, 2008
in this battle he has medusas head
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Himmapaan Featured By Owner May 3, 2008  Professional Traditional Artist
You're quite right - he ought to, having just come away from slaying her. :) But in many depictions, the head is dispensed with. I thought I'd do without it too especially as this is meant to be a sample illustration for Templar to illustrate specifically this part of the legend. If I were doing it as part of a continuous sequence, I would certainly include it too. ;)

{Personally, I would have been more discreet and polite than simply baldly stating what a piece of work should have, without even commenting on the work itself or what its better aspects might be. Besides disdaining to acknowledge the creator with some credit of knowing what they are about or whether or not their decision is informed by something else. :) I'm sure you probably never meant to be impolite - but it's considerate to take care how one phrases something. :)}
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BatKitteh92 Featured By Owner May 4, 2008
Oh i am sorry if you took it like that your picture is wonderful i loved it very mcuh you did wonderful on this peice of work i am very soory
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Himmapaan Featured By Owner May 5, 2008  Professional Traditional Artist
:hug:

As I said, I'm sure you never meant it to sound that way. Typed messages can mislead, which is why it's good to be cautious about wording. I'm sorry if I sounded defensive. :)

Thank you for your kind words on it. :D
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BatKitteh92 Featured By Owner May 5, 2008
i looked at ur gallery its so beautiful i favored some of them i love ur style
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Himmapaan Featured By Owner May 6, 2008  Professional Traditional Artist
Thank you so much. :thanks:
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Metalfist0 Featured By Owner Apr 24, 2008  Student General Artist
Awesome! I'm looking forward to to coloured version! :D
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Himmapaan Featured By Owner Apr 24, 2008  Professional Traditional Artist
Thank you very much!
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morwen09 Featured By Owner Apr 23, 2008  Student Writer
Beautiful! I love all the detailed work on Andromeda's hair, Pegasus' wings, the Gorgon's hide. Perseus vanquishing the monster from horseback is reminiscent of depictions of St. George and the dragon. I like how your image ties both legends together.
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Himmapaan Featured By Owner Apr 23, 2008  Professional Traditional Artist
Thank you so much! I'm working on the final colour illustration as we speak - hopefully I might be able to upload it before too long (this one is a rough, of course).

The sea monster (also known as Ceto) isn't the gorgon, in fact, though Perseus did indeed kill Medusa the gorgon prior to this adventure.
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morwen09 Featured By Owner Apr 24, 2008  Student Writer
Hah, yes, you're right. Thanks for the correction.

Look forward to seeing the finished version!
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Himmapaan Featured By Owner Apr 24, 2008  Professional Traditional Artist
Thank you!
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GrendelDemon Featured By Owner Apr 6, 2008
beautifully illustrated, i just love the old story book look to your artwork ^_^
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Himmapaan Featured By Owner Apr 6, 2008  Professional Traditional Artist
Thank you!
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