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Kinnaree off-cut by Himmapaan Kinnaree off-cut by Himmapaan
An off-cut from one half of my kinnaree pop-up card , together with the drawing I made as the pattern. I thought they might be interesting to see...
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Aylen-O-Y Featured By Owner Sep 16, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
beautY !!!
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gallpino Featured By Owner Nov 18, 2010  Professional General Artist
Quality is your middle name.
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Himmapaan Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2010  Professional Traditional Artist
So extremely kind of you.
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JoeOnly Featured By Owner Oct 8, 2010
hey good job i lv it
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mijelly Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2010
I adore this image because, even though it's sorta a by-product of your actual piece, the photo gives off a kind of light and shadow duality.

Looking back at the other photos, I absolutely adore your technical skills. I could never piece together something like this. Good job!
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ttnn Featured By Owner Oct 1, 2009
Dear Niroot:

Interesting name you've chosen, and thank you for this project!

On a comment I just wrote, a propos these Kinnaree,
I've just referenced this off-cut view of yours,
because it so clearly shows the bird-woman concept.

Among Thai statues I've seen on the Internet,
this is the one I like the most, but, alas,
her feet are cut off and the two humans in the picture are distracting.
Do you happen to know of a better photograph of that same statue?
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Himmapaan Featured By Owner Oct 2, 2009  Professional Traditional Artist
Dear Tom,

Thank you so much for your comment. I'm curious, though, that you should have chosen the off-cut instead of the pop-up itself [link] to reference (I assume you did read my descriptions =P). :giggle: There is yet another link in my notes on that pop-up piece to my drawing of the version of the kinnaree with human legs.

I must confess I rather balk too at the implication, through the harpy comparison, that the bird-legged version is not 'lovely and graceful', too. :giggle: As you have seen, even the temple versions and traditional Thai paintings still show them as beautiful. :D

I'm afraid I do not know where else to find another picture of that same statue. :( But I shall keep a look-out, and let you know if I come across any. There is, however, another lovely statue of a kinnara (the male; 'kinnorn' as pronounced in Thai) and kinnaree family here on dA, though I suspect you may have seen it already: [link] .
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ttnn Featured By Owner Oct 2, 2009
Dear Patron Saint:

Your off-cut is like a blueprint, very clear, and it has a clear reference to the finished product. Congratulations!

My allusion to harpies is a cultural contrast, and a statement that the concept of grace and loveliness transcends the details of external form. Orangutan countenance is a far cry from what most humans would consider maidenly loveliness, yet in their gentle demeanor one can find affinity with the kinnaree ideal.

What I'm trying to say is that
  1. Even if the Himmapaan forest does not exist on this planet in a literal sense, there are elements of said forest that do exist (and, by implication, should be cherished and protected).
  2. If we can show an example of smart and gentle jungle-dwellers here, then perhaps there are other examples, perhaps still closer to the Himmapaan ideal, elsewhere in our galaxy (far, but real).
Thank you for that link to the kinnara family: I had seen it on the Internet, then lost it; thank you!
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Himmapaan Featured By Owner Oct 2, 2009  Professional Traditional Artist
Oh, I do agree with you wholeheartedly on that point from the first; I think that's a wonderful thought. :nod: It was simply the sentence 'you will find them a bit more reminiscent of the Greek “snatchers” (harpies), whereas the verbal tradition describes the Kinnaree as lovely, graceful and musically gifted...', especially the word 'whereas' that seemed to me to suggest that the traditional depictions were at odds with the folkloric descriptions of loveliness. :giggle: But this is merely me as a lover of words stumbling on a particular nuance of a sentence (which may never have been intended at all to begin with); it happens all the time, I'm afraid. :giggle: And I hope you understood that I was being tongue-in-cheek when I said I 'balked'. Hence the giggles. :D And to prove it, here's a hug to go with it. :hug: :D
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ttnn Featured By Owner Oct 2, 2009
...this is merely me as a lover of words stumbling on a particular nuance...
Well, if a lover of words stumbles, it indicates I was trying too hard to abridge!

I was pointing out the fact that ~gotgituey was representing his particular kinnaree with a higher ratio of human-to-bird than what you would normally see in Thai temples. The traditional ratio (and I give examples, including yours) is closer to that of Greek harpies. Granted that harpies and kinnaree have different anatomy, the big difference, I claim, lies in a misogynous description and dreadful expectation of harpies, but a harmonious and delightful expectation of kinnaree, and I attribute this difference more to cultural mindset than to artistic license of individual artists. The basic concept could in principle be present, on a different planet, regarding creatures that looked like slugs to us—
or, closer to home, that looked like orangutans! :neom:

I'd go back and edit my lengthy comment, but DA's software won't let me! :wizardhat:
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